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Way back (1996)?? or so I had been bidding and winning quite a few High-Grade US coins on Teletrade.  For some reason, I bid on a Goetz pattern 10 mark piece.  I believe the Goetz name was rolling around in my subconscious probably due to an article about the topic I had seen somewhere.  I received the item, didnt think too much of it one way or the other, and it languished in a box somewhere for a few years.  A few years later I was wandering around at the FUN show and ended up buying Keinast volume I for $40!!  What a strange and fascinating book!  Within a few weeks I was buying some wonderful K-386's off EBay for $200.00 apiece (we all have to learn somehow) and I was hooked.  In those early eBay days you could search and find some real unattributed bargains.  I really believe that now that the Keinast books are available, fairly cheaply, there will soon be quite a few new converts.
Propaganda / DANCE OF DEATH
« Last post by Redmikey on October 08, 2013, 10:07:00 AM »

Uniface medal in bronze 120.5mm by Ludwig Gies

In exergue TOTENTANZ 1914 - 1917 in incused

Death is a skeleton and has his left arm over the knapsack of the first soldier, encouraging him and the troop of German infantry on towards their fate.

Death fixes his eyes on the soldiers behind.

The soldiers are marching but their heads and gaze are looking downwards. The various positions of rifles show they are very tired and not the fighting force they started out as.

Another Totentanz medal will be on display amongst many others at the The British Museum they are commemorating the centenary of the First World War with an exhibition about German medals entitled The Dance of Death. The temporary display is organised by The British Museum's Department of Coins and Medals which will open in 2014 running from May until October

Further information
Hello everyone;  Perhaps an update to what I've been doing since May.

1)  I immediately contacted the Goetz Family upon reading Heritage's representative (Peplinski) comments stating that the upcoming sale of Goetz die material was recently purchased from the Goetz family.  They were unable to accurately determine when the material was sold but they presume it was in the early to mid-1970's.  They also assured me that they DID NOT recently sell any material to anyone.

2)  With this knowledge in hand I contacted several dealers I know in Germany whom shall remain unnamed at this time.  The first I spoke to was aware of the Guido sale of the material in the early 70's to a large dealer in the Netherlands.  At the same time I was told all about the failed Gorny & Mosch 1994 sale of Goetz material...I digress, this story will be shared sometime in the future.
 The other dealer stated that this material was not in use after the War (WWII) but had changed hands, minimally, four times since its arrival at Heritage.*

3)  I figured I better contact Heritage prior to the next sale in order to put them on notice that their claims of provenance were greatly flawed.  I contacted M.Peplinski by telephone mentioning the issue.  He denied making comments so I told him I would email him with the appropriate internet links.  Here is the email I sent to Heritage on Ausust 5, 2013:

Hello Mr.  Peplinski,

I am writing in response to our telephone conversation completed a few minutes ago.  This email is for written clarification of my intent for telephoning.

As I had mentioned, I am the owner of, an on-line web presence, which is used to provide the history of Karl Goetz through our copyright ownership of Kienast reference books.  I also act as the express Karl Goetz family's agent in matters of Private Treaty transactions.

I have contacted you with regard to written descriptions for the Karl Goetz die consignment which state clearly that the consigned material was recently purchased from the Goetz family.  Please see description at this link:

The Goetz family has asked me to contact Heritage with their demand that a retraction be made with any mention of the family 'recently selling' material.  In the matter of this material, Guido Goetz sold this material in the early 1970's and thus, provenance is not 'fresh' as implied by written Heritage descriptions.  It is apparent to the family that this material was not correctly attributed prior to your first sale and they do not want to be associated with undocumented 'historical transactions' that do not follow their current Private Treaty transaction practices which document provenance of Goetz material to the fullest.

In closing, it is unfortunate that Heritage may have been told by the private consignor that the consigned Goetz die material was recently purchased from the family.  This is not true.  We believe it is Heritage's responsibility to fully research consignor claims prior to the sale of consigned material.

This matter can be resolved by posting retractions of implied material provenance to the appropriate publications where the misinformation has been published.

We ask that you respond immediately with your intent for resolving this matter.


Henry Scott Goodman
Karl Goetz Family, Munich, Germany

I was finally contacted back several weeks later by Heritage and told:

"Thank you for your patience. I confirmed that we had a wire crossed. While the dies did indeed come from the Goetz family, the purchase from the family itself was made many years ago."

Heritage then made a 'soft' retraction to the E-Sylum:

“I was recently contacted by Henry Goodman at about a discrepancy in my note published in your newsletter a while back. I mentioned that the Goetz dies were purchased from the Goetz family recently, which was incorrect. Actually, the dies were purchased from the Goetz family many years ago, but were recently consigned to our sale by their owner.

As mentioned by Nosferatu in the previous post here, it appeared to me that Peplinski was saying the same thing, and implying that this was still 'fresh' material.  I immediately wrote to Heritage with the following email:

Hello Again Mr. Peplinski,

Thank you for writing to the E-sylum with a correction to your original Goetz die comments but I still have an issue with your new statement; "Actually, the dies were purchased from the Goetz family many years ago, but were recently consigned to our sale by their owner."

While technically 'correct', the way you have written your comment still implies that the material was bought from the Goetz family by the same person (owner) that had recently consigned the material to Heritage.  This is not true.  Minimally this material has been owned by at least four entities since it was sold by the Goetz family.  I realize that you would like to present this material as 'fresh' but it isn't and its lack of history should be conveyed.  In order for your comment to be honest it should read; "Actually, the dies were sold by the Goetz family many years ago, but were recently consigned to our sale by their most recent/current owner."

Perhaps you see me as overly critical.  All I am trying to do is convey to Goetz collectors that these lots have essentially no provenance from their creation dates 90-100 years ago until today.  With the exception of a general sales date sometime in the early 1970's by Guido Goetz to a dealer, we know nothing more.  Collectors need to know this rather than falsely believe that the consignor bought the material directly from the Goetz family in 1970 and is now selling the material via Heritage.

I will be writing to the E-Sylum with a copy of this email's content to ensure that their readers are aware that this material has no provenance and likely never will unless previous owners come forth with much needed information.  I need not explain to you what other doors may be opened when material has no history.

Henry Scott Goodman

I never received a response from either Peplinski or Warren Tucker (VP) and, as promised, I sent the email to be published in the 9/1/13 E-Sylum.

I believe, with time, I will be able to piece together a general provenance for this material but the period from Karl's death in 1950 until this material sale to a dealer in 1970 will remain problematic without further comparative analysis on the material.  At this time we do not know what Guido Goetz did or didn't do to this material.  I believe it is a mix of Karl's original material with a Hodge-podge of Guido's material thrown in for confusion.  Much work remains.  Heritage will, at least, agree to let me use the die images for future analysis as long as I attribute the images to them.

Stay tuned, this isn't over yet.
I just read last night's E-Sylum (8-25-13) and have to ask why this Heritage rep appears so greasy?  If anyone read his original comments and compared them with what was published last night you'd have to agree that he is essentially saying the same thing that Goodman wanted him to correct.  This guy is still trying to sell this stuff as though it has no problems.  Whoever is selling this stuff through Heritage certainly isn't the same person that bought the material back in the seventies from 'Greedo'.  There is only one reason for Heritage to try and convince prospective buyers and that's more money.  Is it just me?  How'd the rest of you read this inaccurate correction?
Scott my collection of WW1 era medals has grown considerably thanks in part to yourself. Identifying what made me buy certain medals is a complicated question. I think medals that do not look like they were commissioned, rather it was a free thought process of the artist appeal to me. I have become size sensitive 50mm is the smallest nowadays. Then with a few note able exceptions they have got to be French or German in my opinion the only nations that could make fine art.
Open Topics / Books On The secessionists?
« Last post by Redmikey on July 08, 2013, 06:58:37 AM »
I'm new to this Secessionist group of individual so is there any books about them and specifically the medallists? Perhaps there's a definitive list of the artists? I've looked online but can find little of use. 
Hey everyone!

Listen guys, I'm doing what I can to get images up under the different artists forums but I can't do everything.  How about you all help me out by discussing what got you started in collecting German secessionist medals.  I know I've sold a lot of these types of medals to most of you.  What compelled you to buy these in the first place?

Let's get some discussion going here, okay?
New Member Welcome and Check In / Re: Hello to all
« Last post by Haarmann on June 02, 2013, 10:27:07 AM »
Hi Mike!

Glad to see that you could make it.  Hopefully we'll pull in some experts that can give us insights into the art theory and such of this exciting area of medal collecting.  Perhaps I'll put out an invite out to Mark Jones even. 

Welcome again and we can't wait to hear about some of these pieces you've been buying from
New Member Welcome and Check In / Hello to all
« Last post by Redmikey on June 02, 2013, 02:03:42 AM »
I'm a little late but hey I'm here now.

I've been collecting for about 10 years and my main interests are French Art Deco and WW1 era and of course German, Austrian and Hungarian art medals.

I'm here to learn and hopefully contribute in some ways. Have only been here 5 minutes and have already learned a bit about Secessionists.


Erzsébet von Esseö 1883-1954 / Germania
« Last post by Haarmann on June 01, 2013, 12:21:10 AM »

Elizabeth von Esseo,  Germania, 1921, Blackened Bronze, 71.5mm, 115,7g. RRR

Obverse: Robed Germania bust, left. Rim inscription "Germania A•D•1919•1921•"

Reverse:  Naked female (Germania) crucified upon cross, bands of armed troops at both sides. Edge inscription "OPUS ESSOE"
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